Arron, Im neither fat, unfit or rude, ugly well maybe. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". Those were sure great times, what happened? It's exactly what I have been saying for years. Of course, I will never forget Herb Kelleher walking into a pintos union negotiation and exclaiming to them all, "Let's start by saying that I know you guys would do this nothing if you had to!". So, that will Hey. anything less than market rate? The race to the bottom continues. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. Word is Allegiant about to get a TA/contract that surpasses our own in pay, benefits etc. Others might say its borderline exploitative. There have been several regionals that have gone under recently which have temporarily flooded the market with pilots. The estimated salary at Breeze Airways ranges from approximately $14,500 per year for Team Leader to $150,907 per year for Director.. Do public transportation and see the sites that are free. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Forgot to add to my previous post that it is two person corporate housing with private bedrooms (think Residence Inn by Marriott, like SkyWest training). Of course we know what Nelson is really up: unions cant stand having to compete and this model could threaten her power and the power of her union. Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month This was the skybus business plan. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. I expect a complete unbundling a la Spirit but with a much wider, more attractive range of upgrade interests for passengers. Fingers crossed and ready to go! Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. The initiative will see flight attendants be paid a fixed sum of $1,200 each month. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. NB: there's a pilot shortage. Contract of Carriage. I have suggested reestablishing a mandatory retirement age for flight crew and a renaming to inflight first responders. Or to put it another way, by year six, First Officers at Breeze Airways end up making almost half as much as JetBlue Co-Pilots. Kinda like most private sector unions. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. Some interns are unpaid. Highest paying job titles at Breeze Airways include Back-End Software Engineer, Director, Financial Reporting, and Technical Program Manager Total value of jobs: $12,985,000 Total Jobs: 3. Wont fly them with this info. Not discussed here is the difference between flight hours and duty day. Great article !!! This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. Then, when mainline hiring picks-up (as it inevitably will) they'll dump Breeze like a cheap date. He is probably right in both those factors. Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. Right now I believe there are more pilots than are needed. I am not necessarily rooting for him, since it depends on how happy employees are, but I think he and his outline of the new airline model have potential for spectacular success, regardless. I suppose if there has ever been a time where airlines can get away with hiring pilots for cheap, this is it. Commuting from another city to work is almost impossible when on reserve. Once the market rebounds they will have to adjust the MMG to remain competitive. Why not schedule surgery with a doctor as an intern? Is there a penalty for leaving early? You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. Attn: Airline Pilot Central There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. Or what if you Wow, quite a few idiot comments: Do you see 50 yo or 70 yo lifeguards on the beach? And why frankly, should businesses be saddled with this expense? Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. 100% Upvoted. The pay is horrifically low, though. And @Ben L. is still reminiscing the best cars in the world evar, made by 100% union labor in the 1980s. Housing and travel to/from work provided. Good luck with that. In fact, the concept seems brilliant and hope I make it through the process and get selected. Even the ME3 flight attendants start on a salary of around $3,000 per month plus housing and that is tax-free. Let him eat his own crap for breakfast lunch and dinner. I have no doubts in my mind that they'll increase it in time, but they need a few years of profitability under their belt first so they can justifiably offer higher hours/pay. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. This means pilots (not just new pilots ) are out there making with the government wants minimum wage to be. People may weigh each differently but those are the top three for nearly all travelers. Being paid $1200 a month automatically means that these FAs will have to be going to school as required AND probably working a second job to make ends meet. The next step from airlines would probably challenge the FAA rule of 1 FA per 50 pax. This is absolutely exploitive. Where do I sign up? How awful that Neeleman is forcing people to work under these conditions with a gun to their head! It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. [Well] flash someone a message, Hey, we see youre flying today. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? No guests. This article mentions and quotes minimum monthly guarantee, but fails to show the pay for picking up extra flying. But make sure you ask the a million question, even the stupid ones BEFORE you sign the contract. Let's seean airline you interact with almost completely on an app staffed by young folks with no vested interest in the company or it's success.what could possibly go wrong? Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. End stage capitalism here people. It's capitalism in it's most raw form. the recruiters told me: So theyre going to get experienced pilots (somewhat), that are already typed, with 1K hrs of 121 time (most likely), not have to pay initial or differences training for them, then pay them sh. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. Landing June 2023. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. My starting pay clear back in 1983 was1500/month! What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. Young people / College students have an ability to enjoy activities that are very cheap / free. Learn about Breeze Airways culture, salaries, benefits, work-life balance, management, job security, and more. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on the same route regardless of what they think of labor rights or real college education. I have no idea if they will be paid CA or FO rate while flying the right seat though. maximum takeoff weight), Note: PIC is defined as Captain or Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls, Valid FCC Radiotelephone Operators Permit, Must have or be able to obtain a valid U.S. drivers license, Must have or be able to obtain a valid passport, Must be able to travel unrestricted to and from the United States, Must pass a DOT pre-employment drug test, Must have authorization to work in the United States as defined by the Immigration Reform Act of 1986, MyIDTravel (preferred), or list at the gate, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Line Holders: 70 hours, Monthly Pay Guarantee for Reserves: 70 hours. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? There is not a lot to do these days in an aircraft cabin. . These numbers are minimums. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. The LDS coming from the Beehive State have, at the end of the day, always thought of its team members really as worker bees. I'm assuming Breeze knows there's going to be a number of unemployed pilots and $77K+ a year is better than unemployment benefits. People in that position have the option of not working and watching their skills and socialization go fallow, or working and having the first and last dollar of their income taxed at 70% and more under federal and state taxation. It's official: Breeze is no different from any other creepy Mormon MLM scheme. Wow, quite a few idiot comments: 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. How many people truly seek out higher prices for labor solidarity? less than daily to leisure/small markets. And I agree with the fellow poster RE: all very young kids, limited work experience not what Id want in an emergency. Employees pay for their school and housing, but Breeze gets the tax savings. So they only want young, pretty, college girls and completely straight acting College guys? Posts: 36,185. So you can make $1200 in a month only working 80 hrs a month. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. Salary to both of these groups of people is somewhat incidental. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. A union can negotiate for the whole group, unity makes force. It is a pity that in this country, health care should fall on the shoulders of an employer or the employee. Sounds like the flights will be mostly out and back the same day, to save $$$ on per diem/ hotel costs. Sorry @john S. my comment was for @Monty C. -. Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. Filet mignon is perhaps being used intentionally as an example of something you can't buy onboard even a full service airline but which many people would pay for. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. And there are always plenty more ready to come into the pipeline. Breeze Airways Is Recruiting Pilots; What Execs Look for When Hiring Wasn't aware of breeze low pay scale. Scary and for sure a company that will NEVER see me on any of there planes! Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. All that said, I'm currently COO for a NON-union airline, and we will make sure we pay our pilots (and all employees) fairly with work conditions and benefits that will never have them needing a union to ask for more. Spirit passengers, not so much. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. Most of the comments are/were regarding the MMG and hourly pay, but the key factor is the requirements to actually get the job. As a society we have started to forget the notion of a first job leading to better skills and better salary. I wish more airlines provided housing options. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. Only Skyworst has no union in the regional game, and they continue to get guys to sign up by force feeding the kool-aid by the tankful. Maybe Breeze will also supply its people with high-end meals, as Microsoft and Google provides its extremely well-compensated developer workforce. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. Have you gone to college? FO Adam absolutely nailed it. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. The industry does need an overall. Because it is an opportunity to teach them the skills to land a career or job that they would not have otherwise had a chance for. If not enough apply because the pay is too low, then the company can decide if they want to raise their pay. AFTER 4 YEARS YOUR CONTRACT IS OVER AND CANNOT BE RENEWED. I felt fortunate. And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would And yes, if a doctor is an intern at my hospital I would not hesitate scheduling surgery (I'm sure he/she is cheaper) since I know he's had full training. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. 2. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. As the app is described: That app, Neeleman says, is designed to convince customers to shell out for upgrades and extras, from food to rental cars, which Breeze is depending on to turn a profit. Oh wait. NGPA Expo - February 9-10 in PSP Booth 525, Women in Aviation - February 23-25 in LGB - Booth 549, TPNx April 21-22 in MCO, Currently hiring E190/195 and A220 First Officers, E190/195 Captains, and Australian Pilots that hold or have previously held an E-3 visa, New hire classes every month for the E190/195 and A220, Scheduled passenger service on the E190/195 flying consists of day trips (no overnights) with limited flying on Tuesday and Wednesday, Charter business is very robust on the E190/195 Charter flights may operate any day of the week, A220 operates a traditional schedule 7 days per week, Significant growth and expansion planned over the next 5 years, Breeze flies to 30+ cities from coast to coast, Eight A220s delivered as of August 2022 - 73 more to be delivered and options for 40 more, Ejet fleet projected to grow to 30 by 2025, A220 fleet is projected to grow to nearly 60 by the end of 2025, A new training center opened in SLC with one E190/195 simulator and one A220 simulator, $200 million in funding was raised in August of 2021. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. So Breeze may hire twentysomethings and train them, so what? Breeze Airways Breeze Airways - Breeze careers I would instruct my old self to work yet harder for my lousy salary. Not my kind of thing. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? less than daily to leisure/small markets. Great idea. This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! Very clever. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Past Flight Receipts. I considered myself a professional and definitely grew with my profession.. All union issues aside I find it interesting that he has singled out the flight attendants specifically.. Nobody even knows what the work culture, training will be like at this startup, yet look at all of the certainty in these comments already. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. Beauty: Not in the job description, but undoubtedly a plus from a marketing perspective. To help clarify that, the DoL requires that the intern cannot displace any worker, receive instruction equivalent to or complementary to enrolled coursework. 2) Free Travel! New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. Everyone should apply. Within a few years, she decided ENT surgery would be somewhat more interesting work and spent more than a decade training up at a resident wages that most union folk would scoff at. Four major career destroying events in 20 years. hide. Not if you wanted good work done. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." And if I had a time machine I would go back and slap, poor, poor me silly and tell me to redirect my attention to the unlimited opportunities that were sitting right in front of me every day I drove across the lake and clocked into work. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. Can't believe. Ben -- one thing that seems to be missing from your calculus and the comments: equity. There are many young people that lack the $$ or choose not to go into debt (student loan/s) for a traditional higher education. Low fares. I'm sure Breeze will find plenty of young, naive college students who sign up for this, not realizing what they are getting themselves into. A place that likes control over everyone and everything, Mormone like. But I guess everyone agrees that the duties of FAs are just going down day by day. Salary; Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF: Breeze Aviation Group: Norfolk, VA: $34K-$53K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time PVU: Breeze Aviation Group: Provo, UT: $39K-$60K: Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time TPA: Breeze Aviation Group: Tampa, FL: $33K-$53K: Intern Procurement - Summer 2023: Breeze Aviation . Not for everyone - dah. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". The Dept. But it may be a great opportunity for some as I said for 1-2 years for a young person. Breeze has promised to pay flight attendants a fixed monthly rate of $1,200, alongside an annual bursary of $6,000 and free shared company accommodation. Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. You don't get any insurances. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. Mesa Airlines | AirlinePilotCentral.com Considering that airlines pay for very expensive training twice a year, this tactic may prove more expensive in the long run. But after all these furloughed guys get hired, who then? Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? I'm sure safety will be first class on Breeze. Individuals can't afford premiums. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. It gets so tiresome. As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! They can't profitably or even just realistically offer higher minimums than that at this point because they won't have the volume of flights. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. I wonder what other benefits and tax breaks Breeze gets, in exchange for providing "jobs". All rights reserved. Breeze Airways Opens Flight Attendant Recruitment Beyond Online document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Failing that, they were determined to not pay one dime more than their competition. Neeleman has a track record of success in the industry, so Im curious to see how this venture works out. So, that will be difficult. And the US would have PRETTY PLEASANT FRIENDLY SKIES again. Therefor your flight attendant is going to be exhausted/probably not happy and definitely not rested enough to perform optimally in an emergency. Log in or . After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. I'm a retired AA captain. Working at Breeze Airways | Glassdoor Poor, poor me. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. A great position to have in your 20's while you work towards advancing your education or other opportunities. 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. Oh, and first crew base is MYR. What we have here is an attempt to hornswoggle naive, inexperienced workers by adding a meaningless term to an employment contract. In the meantime, if you don't like the pay, go see if another airline is hiring. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. How many people can't afford to start a new business or begin a new endeavour because they are tethered to their current employer solely because of the insurance. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. Breeze Airways Customer Reviews - SKYTRAX Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. This airline is banking on their 4 year contract holding up. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. First Officer 1st year $89 and $130 in year six. How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. Go there to get flight time and then move on. Be honest. Nice, new and nonstop. Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941 -MTS Jobs at Breeze Airways - Greenhouse Breeze Will Pay Flight Attendants $1,200 Per Month - One Mile at a Time Be honest. There's a lot of old pilots - is Neeleman hiring them because of their looks, or because they know how to fly a plane? Can the U.S. not have just one decent, heck even mediocre, airline? Get real. 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. Dolts.read the whole article. That minimum guarantee is just that, a minimum. Neeleman is known for building airlines with great cultures, but I kind of have a hard time getting behind this whole concept at Breeze. Pilots are incredibly overpaid as it is. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. This page was updated on October 13, 2022 (Quicktake, Payscales, Fleet). That 20-hour difference each month makes a huge difference in annual salary, regardless of the hourly rate offered. If the pay is off the mark, the marketplace will correct this soon enough: pilots have options, and they know it. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Even if/though they get corporate housing (which could also be really dismal) they've still got to pay for food. Glorious. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. Many may look back later in life with a better career and better economics fondly with the experience they had along with friendships made. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. . Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? But.can't raise interest. Checking in Online. Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. The experience and skillset I got at that first job enabled me to quickly move into work paying many multiples of that first internship-like position. Does the fact that all FA positions are, looking at the website, classified as "part-time" allow them to avoid paying for health insurance?

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